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By Ina Fried
Posted on ZDNet News: May 18, 2004 4:58:00 PM

Apple Computer is looking to patent a method of making windows within the operating system translucent, a feature that Microsoft plans to add to the next version of Windows.

Translucent windows have been a steady feature of Mac OS X since its inception in 2001 and have also shown up as a planned feature for Longhorn--the next major version of Windows, due in 2006.

Apple's patent application, however, appears to focus on a particular way of doing translucency, specifically windows that become more see-through after they are unused for a period of time.

"The translucency can be graduated so that, over time, if the window's contents remain unchanged, the window becomes more translucent," Apple said in the abstract of its filing. The application, which was filed in November, was made public by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office last week.

It is not clear whether Microsoft has any intentions of using this particular approach in its Aero and Aero Glass user interfaces within Longhorn. The company showed translucent windows in demonstrations of Longhorn at last year's Professional Developers Conference in Los Angeles and at the recent Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) in Seattle.

Microsoft does already have a feature that appears similar to the technique Apple describes. In Outlook 2003, a preview of incoming e-mails can be displayed in the lower right corner, where they grow fainter until, if not clicked on, they disappear.

Asked at a software conference whether Microsoft appeared to be borrowing Apple's techniques, Apple chief software technology officer Avie Tevanian said, "We focus on our own stuff. If they borrow some ideas, great. That makes the world a better place."

A Microsoft representative declined to comment on Apple's filing. An Apple spokesperson also declined to discuss the patent request.

As part of its application, Apple also described a feature that would allow the user to work through an unused window. "Upon reaching a certain level of visual translucency, user input in the region of the window is interpreted as an operation on the underlying objects rather than the contents of the overlaying window," Apple said.

The company, known for its graphical computing advances, was recently awarded a patent for the interface used in the iTunes music software.

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oh crap...
heh.. i thought he was replying to my post, that it wasn't stealing, for some reason. didn't realize he was arguing against the same guy... heh
guess i've been hit by too many trolls recently, getting overly defensive.... (Read the rest)
Posted by: ryusen Posted on: 05/19/04 You are currently: Logged In as: a Guest  | Login | Terms of Use
What!?!?  bidemytime | 05/18/04
RE: What!?!?  JakAttak | 05/18/04
monkey see, monkey do  stephen732@... | 05/18/04
mine USED to be...  Valis Keogh | 05/18/04
Read the actual patent  tic swayback | 05/18/04
Correct me if I'm wrong  vferrara | 05/18/04
Start with the headline  tic swayback | 05/18/04
Funny you mention that  voska | 05/18/04
I like those.  Patrick Jones | 05/18/04
Yes very cool but out my price range  voska | 05/18/04
Another point  voska | 05/18/04
Great IDEA  Nigel Johnstone | 05/18/04
hehe  Bob/Paul | 05/18/04
re: Great IDEA  Bob/Paul | 05/18/04
That's not what they are supposed to do  voska | 05/18/04
oh, really?  Bob/Paul | 05/18/04
um.... yeah...  ryusen | 05/18/04
Wait for it  tic swayback | 05/18/04
wait for what?  ryusen | 05/18/04
You call it both "common sense" and "weird"?  tic swayback | 05/18/04
implementation  eLurker | 05/18/04
re:  ryusen | 05/18/04
Innovation?  nikoli | 05/18/04
It like locking the car doors when suspicious people walk by..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/18/04
Agreed  SOCAM | 05/18/04
Translucent windows have  Linux User 147560 | 05/18/04
Silly, it's nothing more than a cross license lever.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
This is NATG's response to innovation from a  mlindl | 05/18/04
Such a poor attempt,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
you idiot!  stephen732@... | 05/18/04
leads the way in software innovtion?  ryusen | 05/18/04
you do realize  eLurker | 05/18/04
Now Apple will smash all the Longhorn losers!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
Uh, you do understand Apple NEEDS MS right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
Haven't you learned yet?  vferrara | 05/18/04
Smacks forehead. What was I thinking?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
have you gotten your MS check this month?  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
i think it was sarcasm  eLurker | 05/18/04
Certainly I admit it  vferrara | 05/19/04
How did you know Jeff would open his yap?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
I thought it was the other way around  Patrick Jones | 05/18/04
Like some sorry shill will ever admit how badly M$ needs Apple!  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
Demonstrating your intelligence with name calling again?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
That's not need  voska | 05/18/04
Why then is Apple always asking...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
Always?  tic swayback | 05/18/04
Wrong  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
You don't even know the difference between apps and an OS???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
Isn't IE part of M$ OSes? Wasn't it offered as standalone app for Mac?  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
Yes and yes.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
What dignified sheep the sorry M$ shills are  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
You have a point.  rkadowns | 05/18/04
Does Apple really need MS?  tic swayback | 05/18/04
You have to be kidding.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
THat's what it's all about, making a buck...  Jeff Spicoli | 05/18/04
Ask the stockholders.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
Now you have to be joking  tic swayback | 05/18/04
I do make presentations, LOTS of them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
I find this hard to believe  tic swayback | 05/19/04
A $100 is a drop in the bucket..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
Quite an investment  tic swayback | 05/19/04
MS on Safari  tic swayback | 05/18/04
Show proof, or STFU!  Rick_K | 05/18/04
I know we've been through this before, but...  Spoon Jabber | 05/19/04
It isn't open source.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
Oh, it's a matter of diction  Spoon Jabber | 05/19/04
Good for Apple  cuervo-gold | 05/18/04
Who really stands to lose?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
What's lost?  Patrick Jones | 05/18/04
Symtoms of a much bigger problem.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
True  Patrick Jones | 05/18/04
I agree with you!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
Code  toadlife | 05/18/04
Code doesn't matter at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
you don't mean...  ryusen | 05/18/04
i like that  eLurker | 05/18/04
It's crazy if you ask me  voska | 05/18/04
Why cross-license?  tic swayback | 05/18/04
WHY? Can you say $$$$$  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/18/04
Not enough $  tic swayback | 05/18/04
its not about...  eLurker | 05/19/04
Enough with the FUD Bitty.  Rick_K | 05/18/04
NWOR  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
Please!!!!!!!  bjb_z | 05/18/04
What's the point of this?  voska | 05/18/04
Here's a little example - helped save my life  j.m.galvin | 05/18/04
why not...  ryusen | 05/18/04
I can see a use like that, but  voska | 05/18/04
Agian, I agree but it just might be protective  j.m.galvin | 05/18/04
M$ stealing technology again  supoman | 05/18/04
yes of course...  ryusen | 05/18/04
You mean like Linux adding a GUI???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/19/04
just how is that stealing?  ryusen | 05/19/04
oddly  eLurker | 05/19/04
oh crap...  ryusen | 05/19/04
M$ stealing technology again  supoman | 05/18/04
Various programs written for Windows allready have this feature.  toadlife | 05/18/04
timming...  ryusen | 05/18/04
Don't forget to mention  rkadowns | 05/18/04
I was saying that...  toadlife | 05/18/04
Still doesn't qualify as prior art  tic swayback | 05/18/04
(nt)true - but I still think the whole thing stinks  toadlife | 05/18/04
Depends on how they use it  tic swayback | 05/18/04
Windows / Office has prior art in this space  kevnat | 05/18/04
i think...  eLurker | 05/18/04
Ick  John CarrollZDNet Moderator | 05/18/04

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