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By Stephen Shankland, News.com
Posted on ZDNet News: Aug 4, 2004 1:55:00 AM

SAN FRANCISCO--Widespread use of Linux and open-source software is an inevitability, but the new programming technique is running into troubles with the important new technology of digital rights management, Hewlett-Packard's top Linux executive said Tuesday.

Digital rights management (DRM) uses encryption to protect proprietary content such as music or movies. But it's not just for entertainment: DRM also will govern confidential documents and other mainstream business information, said Martin Fink, HP's vice president for Linux, during a keynote address at the LinuxWorld Conference and Expo.

Right now there is a risk that DRM adoption will lock out Linux and open-source software, Fink said: "Unfortunately, DRM and open-source software are today largely incompatible because of an extension to copyright law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act."

Indeed, the tensions between open-source software and DRM have led to legal fights over Linux support for the decryption needed to play movies on DVD. Ultimately, the solution to the DMCA problem will require lobbying to change the rules, Fink said; some in Congress have proposed changes to the law.

HP has a vested interest in the area: The company is angling to be both a major supplier of Linux gear and a key partner for those creating, disseminating and consuming digital content.

Fink didn't mention Microsoft by name, but the implication was clear that the software giant could prevail at the expense of open-source software because of DRM.

"While there is a need to protect digital media in all its forms, it's also important that open software be able to participate in this environment," Fink said. "If we fail, we will create an environment in which one company has de facto control over your documents.

Fink also had a criticism of the open-source realm: There are too many licenses, he said. Some are widely used, such as the General Public License (GPL) that governs Linux, but there are dozens more. At an Open Source Development Labs meeting last week, Fink said, he learned that there are 52 open-source licenses, with three more expected soon.

"There is no value, and there is really confusion in having that many licenses. If you're a vendor planning to create a new license, stop. Call me. Tell me why," he said. "I approve three to five open-source projects or contributions a week" without having to employ any new licenses, he added.

Despite the challenges, Linux and open-source software will prevail, Fink predicted.

Sales of Linux servers are expected to reach $9.7 billion by 2008, he said, and the operating system will spread into many other computing devices. "Linux has the ability to be almost everywhere and in almost any mildly intelligent device you can think of," Fink said.

"Open source is going to allow companies to take cost out of the system at an amazing rate," he said. "Companies will not be able to afford to not take advantage of this change."

Also at the show, Fink touted HP's new Linux laptop, the nx5000, and demonstrated handwriting recognition on a tablet PC.

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The CONTENT consumer ya yutz!
Don't be obtuse just to try to make a cute point.

The consumer in this case is the one who would be actually using the DRM protected digital content. The bulk of that content is currently musi... (Read the rest)
Posted by: Robert Crocker Posted on: 08/09/04 You are currently: Logged In | Log out
Not a big deal OhMyGosh   | 08/03/04
What are you talking about??? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Yes it is Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
morally right, logistically wrong... ryusen   | 08/04/04
Right on! George Mitchell   | 08/07/04
Linux, digital rights on collision course Loverock Davidson   | 08/03/04
Whose complaining? OhMyGosh   | 08/03/04
Too True Jeff Spicoli   | 08/03/04
DRM is popular Amberhawk   | 08/04/04
DRM doesn't exist as a viable technology. Yen_z   | 08/04/04
It's obvious you don't use MS Office 2003. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Well, I guess for you, perhaps. Yen_z   | 08/04/04
Really? Linux User 147560   | 08/04/04
LOL. bhanes@...   | 08/04/04
Actually Linux User 147560   | 08/04/04
Actually, the success of DRM is vital for wide adoption ebooks etc. P. Douglas   | 08/04/04
A pipe dream voska   | 08/04/04
um... ryusen   | 08/04/04
Riiiight... PA-ITGuy   | 08/04/04
Actually... Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
DVDs easy to copy? PA-ITGuy   | 08/04/04
you're off base ryusen   | 08/04/04
Whose complaining? Loverock Davidson   | 08/04/04
if they are incompatable... ryusen   | 08/04/04
Too sad Jeff Spicoli   | 08/03/04
Too sad Loverock Davidson   | 08/04/04
Lovey, don't be afraid of the future! Xunil_Sierutuf   | 08/04/04
Denial? Loverock Davidson   | 08/04/04
Not what Linus said, and you need to get out more.. Xunil_Sierutuf   | 08/04/04
DRM in the kernel of Open Source=catch22? PA-ITGuy   | 08/04/04
Not really... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
That's pretty much what I thought. Thanks. (NT) PA-ITGuy   | 08/04/04
And.. Patrick Jones   | 08/04/04
Linux will trounce the DRM abomination. Xunil_Sierutuf   | 08/04/04
Sure will Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
get real ryusen   | 08/04/04
probably a losing fight balsover   | 08/04/04
From The First Inaugural Address of Ulysses S. Grant BanjoPaterson   | 08/04/04
It will be buried johnnyu   | 08/04/04
No matter amicus_curious   | 08/04/04
Problem with DRM voska   | 08/04/04
It's obvious amicus_curious   | 08/04/04
I agree, corporate use one the only uses for DRM voska   | 08/04/04
What are you talking about, what "keys"? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Obviously you don't know how DRM works voska   | 08/04/04
AMEN, and so true! Xunil_Sierutuf   | 08/04/04
I see Fink's mistake. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
so much for capitalism... ryusen   | 08/04/04
No_Ax_to_Grind Is A Big FAT IDIOT RobertoSalazar   | 08/05/04
How long can this last? amicus_curious   | 08/04/04
About as long as the "commune" craze lasted. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
That’s right... P. Douglas   | 08/04/04
Give me a break! It's software not politics. voska   | 08/04/04
Give it 10 years and we'll see. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Going 15 years now voska   | 08/04/04
True, we still have a few OLD hippies running around. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Don't see the hippy comparison voska   | 08/04/04
Wasn't making a comparison... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
You miss my point voska   | 08/04/04
It is in fact more about politics than it is about software P. Douglas   | 08/04/04
Wow johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Good point voska   | 08/04/04
Enjoy your hobby. Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
I have a job johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Linux is a replacement product Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
Harm voska   | 08/04/04
Why should he? techboy_z   | 08/04/04
Rampant capitalism techboy_z   | 08/04/04
Not quite Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
Mr. Fink must be looking for a new Job! No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Hmmm, no replies. Not that I expected any. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Where is the conflict? Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
Let me help by pointing it out. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Missed my call to the Psycic Friends today! Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
Make a point or not, DRM will happen. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Sounds to me johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Did you read what HP has said. (I copied it for you.) No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Not necessarily so Chad_z   | 08/04/04
This stuff should be renamed... BitTwiddler   | 08/04/04
Why DRM will become a fact of life. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Look at why they want it voska   | 08/04/04
Are you completely lost? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Microsoft give what customers want voska   | 08/04/04
I disagree. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
not just corperations... ryusen   | 08/04/04
Confusing DRM with the DCMA jjon2121   | 08/04/04
Did you read any of the recent headlines. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
The DMCA just brings the US in line with WIPO rules. B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
Good! A win for Linux! Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
I agree completely. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
At least with Linux there will still be a choice Michael Kelly   | 08/04/04
FINALLY, someone gets it!!! No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Again the beauty and power of Linux Linux User 147560   | 08/04/04
No consumer vote? Robert Crocker   | 08/04/04
But... Mack DaNife   | 08/04/04
Not at all... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
what? johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Gee, you need to get out more. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Johynny, did you read any of it yet? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
I did johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Well, at least you are getting up to speed. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Who is the consumer? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Robert, who is the consumer??? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
The CONTENT consumer ya yutz! Robert Crocker   | 08/09/04
the consumer? *laugh* ryusen   | 08/04/04
Not all CPUs scrapheap   | 08/04/04
right end result, wrong reasoning. ryusen   | 08/04/04
Kind of funny johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Yes Linux will continue; ... Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
Nothing funny at all. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Data can be secure johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Of course it can, as long as it adopts MS "standards". No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Nope johnnyu   | 08/04/04
No bashing at all. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
How is this the end of the GPL? Michael Kelly   | 08/04/04
Yes, no and maybe. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
How many DRM's Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
Over time, there will be only one. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
As long as you agree it'll be paid DRM... Anton Philidor   | 08/04/04
Hand it over to MS? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
That'll depend on how severe the public backlash is Michael Kelly   | 08/04/04
MS is using RAND. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Well if that's the case... Michael Kelly   | 08/04/04
Yup, it works for me too. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Microsoft on Linux, done already voska   | 08/04/04
Really can't argue johnnyu   | 08/04/04
jonny/voska No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Really wouldn't mind johnnyu   | 08/04/04
So you think DRM is hard? hipparchus2000   | 08/05/04
Even funnier johnnyu   | 08/04/04
Care to take a guess how many computers in China run Windows? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
We'll see how long that lasts johnnyu   | 08/04/04
You bet they will.. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Does Microsoft Need China? B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
BOFH, eventually yes. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
No_Ax, Microsoft does not agree with you on this! B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
BIFH, no, a few people at MS feel that way, not top management. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Would the opinions members of Microsoft Board of Directors help? B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
Um, you do know China just signed the WTO treaty right? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
You mean like Munich Germany? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Munich figured it out and has tossed Linux out. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
Did you read the article voska   | 08/04/04
No, you missed it. Read it again. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
they dropped nothing... ryusen   | 08/04/04
Um, they dropped moving ahead according to schedule right? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
the difference between delayed and dead... learn it ryusen   | 08/04/04
Alas, there is more to it (so don't be too happy about it...) B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
True, the Austrians are making a mistake but won't admit it. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
By the way, I am not "happy" about it. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
The issues were not with Linux but rather the software on it. B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
Truew, it's problems with open source in general. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
You really don’t know much about the supporters! B.O.F.H.   | 08/04/04
too many licenses? ryusen   | 08/04/04
Yes, including Microsoft. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
so what's your point? ryusen   | 08/04/04
Just to remind certain people that the rules apply to all. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
No caveats? rapson   | 08/04/04
I agree Michael Kelly   | 08/04/04
when did i mention patents? ryusen   | 08/04/04
You didn't rapson   | 08/04/04
Good post. (NT) No_Ax_to_Grind   | 08/04/04
in that case... ryusen   | 08/04/04
OK rapson   | 08/04/04
Use those Linux distros and bypass DRM FilledOut   | 08/05/04
Possibility of DRM backfiring for MS and RIAA. hipparchus2000   | 08/05/04

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